1 00:01:08,990 --> 00:00:25,170 [Music] 2 00:01:14,300 --> 00:01:12,149 and good evening from Philadelphia Frank 3 00:01:17,370 --> 00:01:14,310 here with a Thursday night edition of 4 00:01:20,219 --> 00:01:17,380 UFO news network Sunday as we get ready 5 00:01:21,719 --> 00:01:20,229 for the big holiday weekend but we still 6 00:01:24,180 --> 00:01:21,729 got some work to do we've got a fabulous 7 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:24,190 guest with us tonight our researcher and 8 00:01:30,179 --> 00:01:26,890 author Paul Stonehill who's focused his 9 00:01:32,789 --> 00:01:30,189 research career primarily on Soviet and 10 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:32,799 Russian related UFO cases he's the 11 00:01:37,590 --> 00:01:34,570 author of several books including the 12 00:01:39,210 --> 00:01:37,600 Soviet UFO FILES paranormal encounters 13 00:01:42,660 --> 00:01:39,220 behind the Iron Curtain 14 00:01:44,730 --> 00:01:42,670 Russia's USO secrets unidentified 15 00:01:47,700 --> 00:01:44,740 submersible objects in Russian and 16 00:01:50,969 --> 00:01:47,710 international waters Russia's Roswell 17 00:01:54,749 --> 00:01:50,979 incident mysterious sky Soviet UFO 18 00:01:56,580 --> 00:01:54,759 phenomenon UFO Case Files of Russia I'm 19 00:01:58,499 --> 00:01:56,590 sure that there's a whole lot more but 20 00:02:00,419 --> 00:01:58,509 now let's get right down to it and let's 21 00:02:03,059 --> 00:02:00,429 bring in the man himself Paul Stonehill 22 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:03,069 thanks for joining us tonight thank you 23 00:02:08,940 --> 00:02:04,170 for your invitation 24 00:02:12,300 --> 00:02:08,950 absolutely glad to have you and UFO well 25 00:02:15,030 --> 00:02:12,310 for us in the West the Soviet Union 26 00:02:17,310 --> 00:02:15,040 maybe to a lesser extent Russia has 27 00:02:19,740 --> 00:02:17,320 always been enigmatic to begin with and 28 00:02:22,259 --> 00:02:19,750 your research interest obviously in the 29 00:02:23,460 --> 00:02:22,269 UFO field which is unquestionably an 30 00:02:25,289 --> 00:02:23,470 enigma no matter where you're 31 00:02:27,900 --> 00:02:25,299 researching it now you've got kind of an 32 00:02:29,460 --> 00:02:27,910 enigma and an enigma so can you go back 33 00:02:33,150 --> 00:02:29,470 to the beginning and tell us a little 34 00:02:34,740 --> 00:02:33,160 bit about how you got interested in UFOs 35 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:34,750 in the first place so you were living 36 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:37,810 back in the old Soviet Union so I wanted 37 00:02:43,050 --> 00:02:39,370 to tell us a little bit about how you 38 00:02:45,630 --> 00:02:43,060 got involved in all this yeah just I 39 00:02:47,550 --> 00:02:45,640 wanted to say that Russia or the 40 00:02:51,539 --> 00:02:47,560 territory that the Russian Empire and 41 00:02:56,420 --> 00:02:51,549 the USSR comprised has had tremendous 42 00:03:00,270 --> 00:02:56,430 history of UFOs going back millennia and 43 00:03:03,210 --> 00:03:00,280 that's very important and I was 44 00:03:05,670 --> 00:03:03,220 interested in this subject and primarily 45 00:03:07,590 --> 00:03:05,680 because of somebody I knew who lived in 46 00:03:10,920 --> 00:03:07,600 the same neighborhood I did who was a 47 00:03:13,650 --> 00:03:10,930 Soviet pilot and in 1936 in the Arctic 48 00:03:15,449 --> 00:03:13,660 they sighted a UFO and they actually 49 00:03:17,970 --> 00:03:15,459 were shooting on it from their airplane 50 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:17,980 so I was very much impressed and I 51 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:19,810 collected information myself 52 00:03:25,980 --> 00:03:22,810 about the csoka paleo contact or ancient 53 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:25,990 aliens to the extent available in the 54 00:03:31,620 --> 00:03:30,010 Soviet Union and through the years I got 55 00:03:34,590 --> 00:03:31,630 as much as I could ever since I came to 56 00:03:36,690 --> 00:03:34,600 the United States I did the same I was 57 00:03:39,900 --> 00:03:36,700 writing in Russian and other languages 58 00:03:43,500 --> 00:03:39,910 and establishing contacts with Soviet 59 00:03:47,310 --> 00:03:43,510 you apologize which was easy easier in 60 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:47,320 1989 on after Gorbachev took off chains 61 00:03:52,490 --> 00:03:50,410 from the subject of ufology a lot of 62 00:03:56,220 --> 00:03:52,500 information came out at the time 63 00:04:00,920 --> 00:03:56,230 including the Soviet KGB files about 64 00:04:03,150 --> 00:04:00,930 UFOs which were released in 1991 and 65 00:04:06,930 --> 00:04:03,160 I've stayed in touch through the years 66 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:06,940 my articles have been published in 67 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:09,370 Russia and recently this book they 68 00:04:13,650 --> 00:04:11,290 translated it into Russian the Russia's 69 00:04:15,449 --> 00:04:13,660 you are so secrets because they were 70 00:04:18,930 --> 00:04:15,459 they are very much interested to know 71 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:18,940 themselves in Russia what people or 72 00:04:23,700 --> 00:04:21,730 those who need to know about in the West 73 00:04:26,420 --> 00:04:23,710 about them and also Russian people 74 00:04:29,700 --> 00:04:26,430 remember they were not allowed to 75 00:04:31,710 --> 00:04:29,710 basically find out about you of us 76 00:04:33,450 --> 00:04:31,720 because for the most part the Soviet 77 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:33,460 government considered you of course to 78 00:04:38,340 --> 00:04:36,010 be bourgeois propaganda of the West 79 00:04:40,020 --> 00:04:38,350 called this it was an excuse of course 80 00:04:42,450 --> 00:04:40,030 at the very top they knew everything 81 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:42,460 they needed to know but they were 82 00:04:48,690 --> 00:04:45,250 concerned the military was concerned 83 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:48,700 because of UFOs ever present and you as 84 00:04:54,719 --> 00:04:51,250 always very unusual objects in their 85 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:54,729 oceans and lakes and rivers and of 86 00:04:59,670 --> 00:04:57,250 course you have also visiting nuclear 87 00:05:03,060 --> 00:04:59,680 sites not giving a damn about Soviet 88 00:05:05,659 --> 00:05:03,070 secrecy or what Kremlin wants and out of 89 00:05:08,460 --> 00:05:05,669 this there have been tremendous cases I 90 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:08,470 imagined them in my books of course my 91 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:11,410 lectures and for people who want to know 92 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:15,130 the extent of my research because it 93 00:05:20,580 --> 00:05:17,530 goes more than your follow gee I have a 94 00:05:23,280 --> 00:05:20,590 youtube channel paranormal research Paul 95 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:23,290 Stonehill and I try to bring people up 96 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:26,410 on what's going on in Russia China and 97 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:28,730 Eurasia 98 00:05:33,430 --> 00:05:31,010 okay and yeah you had mentioned the 99 00:05:36,010 --> 00:05:33,440 sighting from your neighbor the pilot 100 00:05:39,700 --> 00:05:36,020 back in 36 which of course that predates 101 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:39,710 World War two we've gotten that stories 102 00:05:42,940 --> 00:05:42,050 about Foo Fighters and such during the 103 00:05:44,500 --> 00:05:42,950 Second World War 104 00:05:46,660 --> 00:05:44,510 have you ever picked up anything along 105 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:46,670 those lines from a Soviet pilots during 106 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:48,170 the Second World War seeing anything 107 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:51,770 similar absolutely and we you know 108 00:05:56,050 --> 00:05:53,690 Philip mantle who is my co-author and 109 00:05:58,600 --> 00:05:56,060 myself we have chapters on it in the 110 00:06:01,000 --> 00:05:58,610 book but I remember there was a man a 111 00:06:03,130 --> 00:06:01,010 former Soviet Top Gun who moved to 112 00:06:06,250 --> 00:06:03,140 Israel and became an honorary pilot in 113 00:06:09,610 --> 00:06:06,260 Israel well he was an old man by that 114 00:06:11,500 --> 00:06:09,620 time and he was able to give me a lot of 115 00:06:13,540 --> 00:06:11,510 information also about the Foo Fighters 116 00:06:15,220 --> 00:06:13,550 so-called Foo Fighters because they 117 00:06:18,310 --> 00:06:15,230 didn't call it that that they had 118 00:06:21,100 --> 00:06:18,320 observed in Poland in 1944 and then I 119 00:06:23,950 --> 00:06:21,110 collected information about the Soviets 120 00:06:26,110 --> 00:06:23,960 in post-war Germany and what they have 121 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:26,120 been collecting like the Americans you 122 00:06:31,750 --> 00:06:27,890 know scientific information and so forth 123 00:06:36,790 --> 00:06:31,760 and with that we we got reports from the 124 00:06:39,570 --> 00:06:36,800 former Soviet military people stating 125 00:06:42,790 --> 00:06:39,580 about you a force like dolphin like UFOs 126 00:06:45,730 --> 00:06:42,800 pulsating over battle lines very 127 00:06:48,070 --> 00:06:45,740 interesting but it was not the only war 128 00:06:51,100 --> 00:06:48,080 that Russia was engaged in where UFOs 129 00:06:55,180 --> 00:06:51,110 were very active what was the other one 130 00:06:57,280 --> 00:06:55,190 the Chechen Wars okay men this amount of 131 00:07:02,310 --> 00:06:57,290 you of oh this is a little piece of land 132 00:07:05,590 --> 00:07:02,320 that Russia had for two wars over it and 133 00:07:07,690 --> 00:07:05,600 you know in Afghanistan for example they 134 00:07:09,790 --> 00:07:07,700 didn't have too many UFO sightings from 135 00:07:11,380 --> 00:07:09,800 what we know because a lot of the 136 00:07:12,670 --> 00:07:11,390 information is still classified in 137 00:07:14,830 --> 00:07:12,680 Vietnam 138 00:07:17,860 --> 00:07:14,840 apparently Soviets who were helping the 139 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:17,870 Vietnamese got burned by a UFO there was 140 00:07:25,750 --> 00:07:21,410 a direct hit we know about the Soviet 141 00:07:28,090 --> 00:07:25,760 Army units not too far from Iran in Iraq 142 00:07:31,330 --> 00:07:28,100 they had seen UFOs and even were 143 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:31,340 shooting at one in the 1978 and lost a 144 00:07:36,790 --> 00:07:33,770 number of soldiers because of that but 145 00:07:38,590 --> 00:07:36,800 it was very much interesting that over 146 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:38,600 Chechnya they had so many UFO sightings 147 00:07:42,150 --> 00:07:40,450 during the war 148 00:07:43,410 --> 00:07:42,160 that what was the time frame for that 149 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:43,420 that was a little bit more contemporary 150 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:44,770 than the Second World War 151 00:07:52,140 --> 00:07:48,250 all right in in the beginning of night 152 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:52,150 like 1994 the first war and then towards 153 00:07:56,700 --> 00:07:55,210 2000 was the second war and this is when 154 00:07:58,560 --> 00:07:56,710 they had seen and it was interesting 155 00:08:01,710 --> 00:07:58,570 because the Chechens they also had 156 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:01,720 scientists found fighting on their side 157 00:08:08,250 --> 00:08:04,090 and they were they were well-educated 158 00:08:12,330 --> 00:08:08,260 they knew what was going on too and yeah 159 00:08:14,700 --> 00:08:12,340 we have drawings in our books and so 160 00:08:16,590 --> 00:08:14,710 forth from the people who had served but 161 00:08:18,390 --> 00:08:16,600 you know what the most important what I 162 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:18,400 want to tell your readers is that the 163 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:22,810 Soviet Union a number one they had a 164 00:08:30,210 --> 00:08:26,170 tremendously comprehensive military / 165 00:08:33,810 --> 00:08:30,220 academic UFO USO research program they 166 00:08:35,660 --> 00:08:33,820 call it Sitka it was the first name it 167 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:35,670 was authorized by the Soviet government 168 00:08:40,680 --> 00:08:38,530 actually you know they ordered the 169 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:40,690 program to go into effect after a very 170 00:08:49,070 --> 00:08:44,530 interesting case in 1977 when a gigantic 171 00:08:51,810 --> 00:08:49,080 object was observed in North Russia and 172 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:51,820 so they they became concerned because 173 00:08:58,050 --> 00:08:55,450 they knew that okay let's say 95% of 174 00:09:00,360 --> 00:08:58,060 what people see in the sky and 175 00:09:03,750 --> 00:09:00,370 considered to be UFOs are military 176 00:09:06,780 --> 00:09:03,760 testing or satellites but five percent 177 00:09:09,270 --> 00:09:06,790 and I'm being very stingy here five 178 00:09:10,890 --> 00:09:09,280 percent could not be explained that's 179 00:09:11,550 --> 00:09:10,900 according to the Soviet Academy of 180 00:09:13,890 --> 00:09:11,560 Sciences 181 00:09:16,650 --> 00:09:13,900 what were those five percent Soviets 182 00:09:19,020 --> 00:09:16,660 were going crazy who is coming into our 183 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:19,030 territory who you know who is Franco 184 00:09:22,530 --> 00:09:20,770 then you it was no Chinese or the 185 00:09:24,750 --> 00:09:22,540 Americans they had their own espionage 186 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:24,760 here just like the Americans did in the 187 00:09:31,590 --> 00:09:27,850 Soviet Union but they wanted to find out 188 00:09:34,820 --> 00:09:31,600 and they created this magnificent I 189 00:09:37,980 --> 00:09:34,830 should say program because most of the 190 00:09:40,980 --> 00:09:37,990 findings are still classified and are in 191 00:09:45,450 --> 00:09:40,990 the hands inaccessible but I have enough 192 00:09:46,950 --> 00:09:45,460 information to make me amazed with the 193 00:09:51,330 --> 00:09:46,960 things they were finding out and 194 00:09:52,950 --> 00:09:51,340 encountering it's it was great for 13 195 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:52,960 years officially this program had 196 00:09:56,550 --> 00:09:54,250 existed 197 00:10:00,900 --> 00:09:56,560 and it used all of the Soviet troops 198 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:00,910 every every Soviet soldier or sailor had 199 00:10:05,490 --> 00:10:03,130 to report anything unusual they had 200 00:10:08,580 --> 00:10:05,500 observed around them they had special 201 00:10:10,350 --> 00:10:08,590 forms they had to fill out can you 202 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:10,360 imagine and what's important is that 203 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:13,090 they had to scientific research centers 204 00:10:17,970 --> 00:10:16,450 one in by Moscow the other one Leningrad 205 00:10:21,300 --> 00:10:17,980 where they collected all this 206 00:10:23,340 --> 00:10:21,310 information and analyzed it and they 207 00:10:26,490 --> 00:10:23,350 they worked all over the world not only 208 00:10:29,270 --> 00:10:26,500 the Soviet Union and they had for 209 00:10:32,730 --> 00:10:29,280 example the Soviet Navy had special 210 00:10:34,950 --> 00:10:32,740 research programs staffed by top naval 211 00:10:39,270 --> 00:10:34,960 officers who were looking for those 212 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:39,280 strange US owes all over and here in the 213 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:41,770 state say we've got our presidents and 214 00:10:45,660 --> 00:10:43,210 they come and they go and we've had 215 00:10:49,020 --> 00:10:45,670 quite a few of them since the UFO 216 00:10:51,270 --> 00:10:49,030 subject really took off in roughly 1947 217 00:10:52,950 --> 00:10:51,280 there's the Truman years and the 218 00:10:54,300 --> 00:10:52,960 Eisenhower years and different 219 00:10:56,340 --> 00:10:54,310 presidents have their different 220 00:10:58,290 --> 00:10:56,350 connections and interest levels with the 221 00:10:59,940 --> 00:10:58,300 subject and the same kind of thing 222 00:11:01,890 --> 00:10:59,950 happened in the old Soviet Union like 223 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:01,900 hey during the Stalin years this sort of 224 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:03,490 thing happened and then with Khrushchev 225 00:11:08,070 --> 00:11:06,010 this and then it changed under Brezhnev 226 00:11:10,830 --> 00:11:08,080 and so on and so forth now how did all 227 00:11:14,850 --> 00:11:10,840 that work out and that was one regard as 228 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:14,860 a better UFO Premier than another the 229 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:18,130 best one was Gorbachev obviously freedom 230 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:21,250 but but even he doesn't say everything 231 00:11:27,450 --> 00:11:24,090 he knows there is a very interesting 232 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:27,460 1987 case about a small shuttle like 233 00:11:33,180 --> 00:11:31,210 object that was recovered and they then 234 00:11:35,970 --> 00:11:33,190 disappeared and he knew about it but 235 00:11:40,260 --> 00:11:35,980 okay I'm getting off the it actually 236 00:11:42,950 --> 00:11:40,270 started really understand and Stalin was 237 00:11:45,890 --> 00:11:42,960 very much concerned because they had 238 00:11:49,530 --> 00:11:45,900 intelligence reports about Roswell 239 00:11:51,570 --> 00:11:49,540 you know Soviet spies were operating 240 00:11:54,180 --> 00:11:51,580 very actively in the United States they 241 00:11:55,860 --> 00:11:54,190 had enough enough helpers here those who 242 00:11:58,470 --> 00:11:55,870 believed in communism they helped them 243 00:12:00,810 --> 00:11:58,480 so they collected a lot and brought back 244 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:00,820 to the Soviet Union and Stalin to make 245 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:03,730 it short and simple wanted to know what 246 00:12:10,270 --> 00:12:06,890 is it in those files me 247 00:12:13,060 --> 00:12:10,280 are the UFOs dangerous to the Soviet 248 00:12:15,010 --> 00:12:13,070 motherland or not so he asked top 249 00:12:19,870 --> 00:12:15,020 scientists including Sergey Korolyov 250 00:12:23,380 --> 00:12:19,880 late 1940s he gave them time to go to 251 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:23,390 the materials translators but would not 252 00:12:28,270 --> 00:12:25,490 let them out from Kremlin they had to 253 00:12:32,410 --> 00:12:28,280 stay there and the end result was that 254 00:12:35,350 --> 00:12:32,420 Carol or another said yes UFOs exist no 255 00:12:38,410 --> 00:12:35,360 there are no danger to the Soviet Union 256 00:12:40,380 --> 00:12:38,420 based on this information in the pile of 257 00:12:43,630 --> 00:12:40,390 documents that was translated for us 258 00:12:46,300 --> 00:12:43,640 Stalin was concerned but after he died 259 00:12:49,210 --> 00:12:46,310 there was a tremendous period of 260 00:12:51,700 --> 00:12:49,220 instability in the Soviet Union and one 261 00:12:55,210 --> 00:12:51,710 of the cases I present and also heaven 262 00:12:57,790 --> 00:12:55,220 my youtube is the case of 1953 when a 263 00:12:59,800 --> 00:12:57,800 gigantic UFO was sighted over Siberia 264 00:13:02,080 --> 00:12:59,810 for example and this was after Stalin's 265 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:02,090 death there were other interesting cases 266 00:13:07,150 --> 00:13:04,730 even when Stalin was alive there was a 267 00:13:10,330 --> 00:13:07,160 case of a gigantic UFO moving in the 268 00:13:13,410 --> 00:13:10,340 Soviet USO in the Soviet waters from the 269 00:13:17,730 --> 00:13:13,420 extent we know now under Khrushchev 270 00:13:20,140 --> 00:13:17,740 there was some freedom and people could 271 00:13:23,380 --> 00:13:20,150 talk about UFOs but what you need to 272 00:13:27,940 --> 00:13:23,390 know is this if the Soviets government 273 00:13:30,970 --> 00:13:27,950 laughed American debunkers Mencia da no 274 00:13:32,740 --> 00:13:30,980 man sells book well oh yeah what's 275 00:13:36,460 --> 00:13:32,750 freely available in the Soviet Union 276 00:13:41,740 --> 00:13:36,470 ok bankers and for folks who don't now 277 00:13:44,560 --> 00:13:41,750 Menzel was a Harvard astronomer yes very 278 00:13:48,220 --> 00:13:44,570 very active in trying to explain away 279 00:13:50,050 --> 00:13:48,230 the UFO subject well you know look even 280 00:13:53,290 --> 00:13:50,060 this program I told you about that they 281 00:13:54,790 --> 00:13:53,300 had scientists who were not too eager to 282 00:13:57,940 --> 00:13:54,800 even be engaged in it and they were 283 00:14:00,190 --> 00:13:57,950 afraid to explain UFOs any other way 284 00:14:02,050 --> 00:14:00,200 except natural phenomena and that's not 285 00:14:05,500 --> 00:14:02,060 what the military guys wanted they 286 00:14:08,110 --> 00:14:05,510 wanted answers so but you know 287 00:14:11,340 --> 00:14:08,120 Khrushchev yeah under him it was in the 288 00:14:14,230 --> 00:14:11,350 times were interested it became more 289 00:14:17,860 --> 00:14:14,240 solid and boring under Brezhnev let's 290 00:14:20,350 --> 00:14:17,870 say but also he was the general 291 00:14:22,569 --> 00:14:20,360 secretary where the program started 292 00:14:26,439 --> 00:14:22,579 I gotta tell you something the brains 293 00:14:29,590 --> 00:14:26,449 behind Brezhnev was Yuri Andropov the 294 00:14:33,129 --> 00:14:29,600 head of the KGB and drop off was crazy 295 00:14:37,389 --> 00:14:33,139 about your force put it this way he had 296 00:14:40,090 --> 00:14:37,399 a file on his desk which was 297 00:14:41,769 --> 00:14:40,100 continuously updated with the reports 298 00:14:46,389 --> 00:14:41,779 from this this program I told you about 299 00:14:49,539 --> 00:14:46,399 another sources and he knew he knew that 300 00:14:51,809 --> 00:14:49,549 this phenomenon was very interesting he 301 00:14:55,210 --> 00:14:51,819 gave government money to study it and 302 00:14:58,329 --> 00:14:55,220 for a short time he was also in charge 303 00:15:02,379 --> 00:14:58,339 of the USSR but you know general 304 00:15:04,449 --> 00:15:02,389 secretaries died one succeeded another 305 00:15:07,809 --> 00:15:04,459 but the program stayed on because this 306 00:15:10,179 --> 00:15:07,819 was something that affected the security 307 00:15:14,199 --> 00:15:10,189 of the Soviet Union they knew there were 308 00:15:17,139 --> 00:15:14,209 cases when UFOs really bothered them 309 00:15:19,780 --> 00:15:17,149 over silos and so forth there were 310 00:15:23,019 --> 00:15:19,790 reports of them shooting at UFOs and 311 00:15:25,449 --> 00:15:23,029 paying a high price for it there were 312 00:15:28,150 --> 00:15:25,459 cases where the Soviet armed forces were 313 00:15:29,259 --> 00:15:28,160 told not were given orders never to 314 00:15:32,829 --> 00:15:29,269 shoot at UFOs 315 00:15:36,009 --> 00:15:32,839 leave them alone they're not causing any 316 00:15:39,999 --> 00:15:36,019 harm to the extent the Soviets knew they 317 00:15:45,009 --> 00:15:40,009 were not losing control and almost every 318 00:15:47,859 --> 00:15:45,019 launch of important space vehicle was 319 00:15:50,409 --> 00:15:47,869 accompanied by UFOs I also have 320 00:15:55,030 --> 00:15:50,419 interesting information about cosmonauts 321 00:15:57,729 --> 00:15:55,040 and what they believed about UFOs and 322 00:16:00,699 --> 00:15:57,739 you know from people who disbelieved to 323 00:16:03,369 --> 00:16:00,709 a number of cosmonauts who said no no 324 00:16:08,039 --> 00:16:03,379 they exist or we have heard from those 325 00:16:12,100 --> 00:16:08,049 who know that UFOs or you know 326 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:12,110 unexplainable vehicles valentina 327 00:16:19,389 --> 00:16:15,410 Tereshkova is one of those not no no no 328 00:16:22,509 --> 00:16:19,399 it was Popovich marina Popovich she was 329 00:16:25,629 --> 00:16:22,519 the wife of Pavel Popovich we okay yeah 330 00:16:29,019 --> 00:16:25,639 okay she she's spoken hasn't she there 331 00:16:31,239 --> 00:16:29,029 was there was an interview with her and 332 00:16:33,220 --> 00:16:31,249 she must have had a translator with her 333 00:16:34,210 --> 00:16:33,230 but I remember that now she was very 334 00:16:37,540 --> 00:16:34,220 positive about the 335 00:16:39,340 --> 00:16:37,550 how's she in 1991 in I I had the 336 00:16:41,380 --> 00:16:39,350 privilege of me to meet her in Los 337 00:16:44,020 --> 00:16:41,390 Angeles I wish to spend more time with 338 00:16:45,850 --> 00:16:44,030 her she was a tremendous person she gave 339 00:16:49,660 --> 00:16:45,860 me photographs of the object that they 340 00:16:52,750 --> 00:16:49,670 that was filmed just before the second 341 00:16:54,310 --> 00:16:52,760 foot was disappeared by by the moonlit 342 00:16:55,690 --> 00:16:54,320 of Phobos she knew a lot she was 343 00:16:59,860 --> 00:16:55,700 speaking about UFOs 344 00:17:02,080 --> 00:16:59,870 she had books about UFOs and but her 345 00:17:03,940 --> 00:17:02,090 husband who was the cosmonaut and 346 00:17:05,980 --> 00:17:03,950 Americans knew him they had a nickname 347 00:17:09,100 --> 00:17:05,990 for him called take home the aggressor I 348 00:17:10,900 --> 00:17:09,110 believe well well you know he was 349 00:17:13,870 --> 00:17:10,910 involved in the Soviet military space 350 00:17:15,190 --> 00:17:13,880 program which was very active too you 351 00:17:17,950 --> 00:17:15,200 know it's basically that's how it 352 00:17:23,130 --> 00:17:17,960 started now part of Popovich fellow you 353 00:17:26,020 --> 00:17:23,140 from Ukraine - he was very much 354 00:17:28,450 --> 00:17:26,030 instrumental in pushing an interest in 355 00:17:30,970 --> 00:17:28,460 giving protection or Chrissa 356 00:17:33,910 --> 00:17:30,980 meaning roof over their heads - Soviet 357 00:17:38,140 --> 00:17:33,920 your follow gist he was the one that 358 00:17:42,940 --> 00:17:38,150 obtained the 124 pages of KGB you of all 359 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:42,950 materials from the KGB at the time which 360 00:17:47,230 --> 00:17:45,410 is revolutionary you know you carry wood 361 00:17:48,970 --> 00:17:47,240 with the CIA give up there you know for 362 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:48,980 materials just like that I'm not talking 363 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:51,290 about the old cases I'm talking about 364 00:17:57,010 --> 00:17:55,490 current cases and he was or or you know 365 00:17:58,420 --> 00:17:57,020 anybody else you know French 366 00:18:01,630 --> 00:17:58,430 intelligence or so forth 367 00:18:04,180 --> 00:18:01,640 but he got those and we've used them for 368 00:18:07,750 --> 00:18:04,190 years we used them for our books - and 369 00:18:10,690 --> 00:18:07,760 other researchers Bible popovich also 370 00:18:14,290 --> 00:18:10,700 had his own sightings very important he 371 00:18:16,630 --> 00:18:14,300 was flying to the United States with 372 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:16,640 some Soviet scientists and aboard an 373 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:18,650 airplane they were over Cuba they 374 00:18:23,890 --> 00:18:21,890 observed this strange semi-transparent 375 00:18:27,910 --> 00:18:23,900 triangular object which was following 376 00:18:30,220 --> 00:18:27,920 them cool case and then because of his 377 00:18:32,530 --> 00:18:30,230 stature of course he could be 378 00:18:35,530 --> 00:18:32,540 independent and you know what he did in 379 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:35,540 the Soviet Union because the program I 380 00:18:41,050 --> 00:18:38,330 told you about was collecting secretive 381 00:18:44,590 --> 00:18:41,060 information they needed more so they 382 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:44,600 created a so-called semi civilian 383 00:18:48,620 --> 00:18:46,490 program where they asked people to send 384 00:18:51,990 --> 00:18:48,630 in their information of 385 00:18:54,270 --> 00:18:52,000 anomalous aerial phenomena this is what 386 00:18:57,960 --> 00:18:54,280 I called you of force and people did and 387 00:19:00,030 --> 00:18:57,970 he was one of the one of the chairman of 388 00:19:02,340 --> 00:19:00,040 this organization together with some 389 00:19:04,470 --> 00:19:02,350 scientists because the Soviets wanted to 390 00:19:07,710 --> 00:19:04,480 know what is it that people see first of 391 00:19:10,050 --> 00:19:07,720 all to establish if any secrets if they 392 00:19:12,180 --> 00:19:10,060 see any secretive tests and mostly they 393 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:12,190 wanted to know what is the nature of 394 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:15,250 UFOs and they had a number of very 395 00:19:21,030 --> 00:19:18,610 qualified professionals including in 396 00:19:23,450 --> 00:19:21,040 their space forces I know today the 397 00:19:27,300 --> 00:19:23,460 United States has established airs for 398 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:27,310 I'm sorry space force command do you 399 00:19:32,190 --> 00:19:29,410 know that the Soviets have had such 400 00:19:34,590 --> 00:19:32,200 space force back going back to 1970s 401 00:19:38,460 --> 00:19:34,600 they even started before but definitely 402 00:19:41,310 --> 00:19:38,470 1970s it's very active it's been citing 403 00:19:46,650 --> 00:19:41,320 strange objects I have a video about it 404 00:19:48,870 --> 00:19:46,660 about six of 1990 in sorry 2017 six 405 00:19:52,860 --> 00:19:48,880 hundred thousand objects were sighted 406 00:19:55,250 --> 00:19:52,870 approaching earth can you imagine what 407 00:19:58,320 --> 00:19:55,260 the wealth of information they have and 408 00:20:03,060 --> 00:19:58,330 they're very active as you know now they 409 00:20:06,180 --> 00:20:03,070 have an Android in space fodder which is 410 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:06,190 very interesting you know and they're 411 00:20:10,620 --> 00:20:07,570 doing research to the extent possible 412 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:10,630 today right you asked me about Russia 413 00:20:17,010 --> 00:20:13,330 Russia today it's Russia is not Soviet 414 00:20:19,410 --> 00:20:17,020 Union it's a different entity there are 415 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:19,420 problems Putin of course is firmly in 416 00:20:26,070 --> 00:20:23,170 control of Russia and many people love 417 00:20:28,290 --> 00:20:26,080 it and because they look at him as 418 00:20:31,020 --> 00:20:28,300 somebody who brings up defense of the of 419 00:20:33,630 --> 00:20:31,030 the Russian Federation he's putting a 420 00:20:37,410 --> 00:20:33,640 lot of money into the army you can see 421 00:20:39,030 --> 00:20:37,420 him expanding into the arctic areas so 422 00:20:42,990 --> 00:20:39,040 via a Russian military buildup is 423 00:20:45,030 --> 00:20:43,000 tremendous but what I see is all the 424 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:45,040 territories that Russia is becoming very 425 00:20:52,260 --> 00:20:48,970 much engaged in is also the territories 426 00:20:54,630 --> 00:20:52,270 of numerous UFO on us all sightings for 427 00:20:59,460 --> 00:20:54,640 example I always call people's attention 428 00:21:02,370 --> 00:20:59,470 to the Coryell islands in that Japan say 429 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:02,380 they used to belong to them after 1945 430 00:21:07,980 --> 00:21:05,650 Russia helped defeat Japan and took over 431 00:21:12,060 --> 00:21:07,990 the territories there's so much going on 432 00:21:14,340 --> 00:21:12,070 and for the last two years I was calling 433 00:21:16,590 --> 00:21:14,350 people's attentions and researchers to 434 00:21:20,610 --> 00:21:16,600 their territory because not only there 435 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:20,620 are cases and unusual unusual sites like 436 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:22,450 the Bermuda Triangle let's say of the of 437 00:21:26,279 --> 00:21:24,850 the Far East but there is more than that 438 00:21:28,460 --> 00:21:26,289 the Japanese are very active they know 439 00:21:31,590 --> 00:21:28,470 what they want to get their hands on and 440 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:31,600 but Russia is Russian military and and 441 00:21:35,850 --> 00:21:33,610 scientists are very much involved for 442 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:35,860 example now in the research of one 443 00:21:40,980 --> 00:21:38,650 island Matua in the coral chance they'll 444 00:21:43,289 --> 00:21:40,990 never give it back because they found 445 00:21:46,529 --> 00:21:43,299 something very tremendously important 446 00:21:49,799 --> 00:21:46,539 and of course now it's a secret but 447 00:21:51,899 --> 00:21:49,809 things go on numerous sightings there 448 00:21:54,360 --> 00:21:51,909 but that's one pit one land that's in 449 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:54,370 the Far East but if you look north to 450 00:21:57,799 --> 00:21:55,210 the Arctic 451 00:22:01,320 --> 00:21:57,809 Yakutia some other territories 452 00:22:05,220 --> 00:22:01,330 tremendous sightings 1979 there was a 453 00:22:08,100 --> 00:22:05,230 whole wave of UFOs and dark government 454 00:22:09,899 --> 00:22:08,110 documents describing the kiddos cases so 455 00:22:11,850 --> 00:22:09,909 this is cool and of course you know I 456 00:22:13,740 --> 00:22:11,860 presented as much as possible in my 457 00:22:17,430 --> 00:22:13,750 books and and they know we're paying 458 00:22:19,470 --> 00:22:17,440 attention to it too but something is 459 00:22:21,810 --> 00:22:19,480 going on in the Arctic for example in 460 00:22:24,419 --> 00:22:21,820 look at the recent cases just for the 461 00:22:26,909 --> 00:22:24,429 last month and a half the loss of that 462 00:22:30,750 --> 00:22:26,919 very important Russian top-secret 463 00:22:33,029 --> 00:22:30,760 submarine incidents in the area and at 464 00:22:35,130 --> 00:22:33,039 the same time the Russians are running 465 00:22:38,010 --> 00:22:35,140 military exercises naval military 466 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:38,020 exercises in the area they're not out 467 00:22:43,710 --> 00:22:41,530 there to scare Norway or NATO I think 468 00:22:46,140 --> 00:22:43,720 they know each other side knows what the 469 00:22:49,470 --> 00:22:46,150 other side has I think they're facing 470 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:49,480 some other enemy or adversary or they're 471 00:22:54,210 --> 00:22:52,570 trying to show their might to somebody 472 00:22:59,159 --> 00:22:54,220 who is much stronger than the Americans 473 00:23:02,460 --> 00:22:59,169 for the Chinese god god and I going back 474 00:23:04,830 --> 00:23:02,470 to the cosmonauts a few years back 475 00:23:08,220 --> 00:23:04,840 Alexei Leonov was the first man to walk 476 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:08,230 in space had made some comments and that 477 00:23:13,360 --> 00:23:10,090 was apparently involved in at least some 478 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:13,370 level of research regarding UFOs he was 479 00:23:17,290 --> 00:23:15,890 skeptical and I was wondering if you 480 00:23:18,340 --> 00:23:17,300 remember that and if you do do you have 481 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:18,350 any comments about that 482 00:23:24,580 --> 00:23:21,850 yes he's a popular guy he's a big name 483 00:23:27,340 --> 00:23:24,590 justifiably a huge hero over in Russia 484 00:23:29,850 --> 00:23:27,350 well Popovich was just as justify have 485 00:23:32,950 --> 00:23:29,860 agreed and a few other cosmonauts I 486 00:23:35,770 --> 00:23:32,960 respect alexei leonov he did 487 00:23:38,530 --> 00:23:35,780 tremendously important steps in space 488 00:23:43,660 --> 00:23:38,540 exploration but he had been consistently 489 00:23:46,270 --> 00:23:43,670 and very unusually anti UFO so to put it 490 00:23:48,820 --> 00:23:46,280 this way anti alien presence and marina 491 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:48,830 Popovich had her own run-ins with him 492 00:23:54,610 --> 00:23:51,530 because she observed you of Oz with 493 00:23:55,990 --> 00:23:54,620 someone else and by her side and so and 494 00:24:00,040 --> 00:23:56,000 he said no no that's not what you had 495 00:24:01,810 --> 00:24:00,050 seen what you saw were projectors or for 496 00:24:04,570 --> 00:24:01,820 you know flat lights and so was this 497 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:04,580 well I'm not I'm a test pilot of the 498 00:24:10,450 --> 00:24:07,970 Soviet Union you know I am I had 499 00:24:12,010 --> 00:24:10,460 cosmonaut training myself they didn't 500 00:24:14,919 --> 00:24:12,020 choose her but she had her carry score 501 00:24:17,590 --> 00:24:14,929 was chosen instead of her but you know 502 00:24:20,350 --> 00:24:17,600 don't tell me that but there's more than 503 00:24:23,470 --> 00:24:20,360 that I know that there is a document by 504 00:24:26,530 --> 00:24:23,480 the American Defense Intelligence Agency 505 00:24:29,530 --> 00:24:26,540 it was Declassified report they followed 506 00:24:32,049 --> 00:24:29,540 Leonov and in 1970 in Japan 507 00:24:34,570 --> 00:24:32,059 speaking in Japan he all he was saying 508 00:24:38,350 --> 00:24:34,580 is that no there are no UFOs no no we 509 00:24:41,830 --> 00:24:38,360 can explain all that so obviously he has 510 00:24:43,540 --> 00:24:41,840 a mission and even though there is no 511 00:24:43,930 --> 00:24:43,550 Soviet Union I need you to understand 512 00:24:45,730 --> 00:24:43,940 something 513 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:45,740 yeah it's gone but they still have 514 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:48,650 military oath but to whom this is what 515 00:24:54,700 --> 00:24:51,530 was asked of Paolo Popovich who when he 516 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:54,710 spoke about underwater bases very 517 00:24:59,350 --> 00:24:56,570 interesting and I present this 518 00:25:01,060 --> 00:24:59,360 information underwater bases in a number 519 00:25:03,970 --> 00:25:01,070 of parts on our planet 520 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:03,980 he was very descriptive and you know 521 00:25:08,650 --> 00:25:05,210 when he was asked by ukrainian 522 00:25:11,110 --> 00:25:08,660 journalist well is this all you can say 523 00:25:14,470 --> 00:25:11,120 he says no I have more but I cannot 524 00:25:17,020 --> 00:25:14,480 because I gave my oath okay you're 525 00:25:18,010 --> 00:25:17,030 Ukrainian you live in Russia the Soviet 526 00:25:20,799 --> 00:25:18,020 Union is gone 527 00:25:22,690 --> 00:25:20,809 who is the oath to here you know they 528 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:22,700 won't say and he was on the other and 529 00:25:27,830 --> 00:25:25,970 from what Alexei Leonov is but there are 530 00:25:30,550 --> 00:25:27,840 other cosmonauts I may 531 00:25:32,570 --> 00:25:30,560 recently we had a Ukrainian cosmonaut 532 00:25:36,620 --> 00:25:32,580 first-class moment of independent 533 00:25:41,750 --> 00:25:36,630 Ukraine a great guy Leonid Katya nuke he 534 00:25:44,120 --> 00:25:41,760 died one year ago yeah relatively young 535 00:25:47,450 --> 00:25:44,130 man but he talks about you forced now he 536 00:25:50,630 --> 00:25:47,460 had not seen himself he comes out but he 537 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:50,640 knows those who did and he remembers how 538 00:25:56,120 --> 00:25:53,490 when he was in the Soviet Air Force what 539 00:25:58,640 --> 00:25:56,130 was told to him by you know how they 540 00:26:00,710 --> 00:25:58,650 were taught by the higher command how to 541 00:26:04,580 --> 00:26:00,720 treat you of OHS and there are other 542 00:26:07,670 --> 00:26:04,590 cases I present and more more than that 543 00:26:10,630 --> 00:26:07,680 there cosmonauts it's it's even more how 544 00:26:13,220 --> 00:26:10,640 the outer space effects cosmonauts and 545 00:26:15,350 --> 00:26:13,230 not all of it 546 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:15,360 you know they could even they could even 547 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:18,570 talk among their family because they 548 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:21,690 would be fired and punished but space is 549 00:26:26,630 --> 00:26:23,970 doing things to their not only brains 550 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:26,640 but the whole outlook and physiology 551 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:28,770 yeah that's been widely discussed among 552 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:30,330 the American astronauts but the same 553 00:26:33,980 --> 00:26:31,410 thing he's gone on amongst the 554 00:26:38,090 --> 00:26:33,990 cosmonauts and you're saying I I think 555 00:26:41,210 --> 00:26:38,100 in a way yeah yeah yeah there is a lot 556 00:26:43,430 --> 00:26:41,220 and Soviet cosmonauts you know they had 557 00:26:46,390 --> 00:26:43,440 they had it harder than the Americans 558 00:26:49,130 --> 00:26:46,400 because of the government changes and 559 00:26:52,940 --> 00:26:49,140 they were about to to go to the moon but 560 00:26:56,120 --> 00:26:52,950 you know Carol off died and the program 561 00:26:57,770 --> 00:26:56,130 died but they had another headed their 562 00:26:59,930 --> 00:26:57,780 own Space Shuttle I'm sure they took 563 00:27:03,110 --> 00:26:59,940 American prototype but it was cool it 564 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:03,120 was very great boron and the the person 565 00:27:11,330 --> 00:27:06,530 that basically did the only flight on it 566 00:27:14,450 --> 00:27:11,340 eager walk a cosmonaut he observed UFOs 567 00:27:17,120 --> 00:27:14,460 himself not in outer space but on on 568 00:27:20,210 --> 00:27:17,130 earth and he was with a top official 569 00:27:23,350 --> 00:27:20,220 from the Soviet space program at the 570 00:27:29,230 --> 00:27:23,360 time so I mentioned that too and more 571 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:29,240 you had Vice Admirals generals had 572 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:32,450 former head of the Soviet space program 573 00:27:38,510 --> 00:27:36,450 who who said we cannot discount some of 574 00:27:40,900 --> 00:27:38,520 them came out openly I said we had this 575 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:40,910 gigantic your foes 576 00:27:47,950 --> 00:27:44,450 disks or or cigars or with such-and-such 577 00:27:51,070 --> 00:27:47,960 area of Russia such-and-such time we 578 00:27:53,770 --> 00:27:51,080 could not explain it we sent Jets after 579 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:53,780 it they couldn't approach it they open 580 00:27:57,910 --> 00:27:56,210 the game others would say look we know 581 00:28:02,050 --> 00:27:57,920 we have collected so much information 582 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:02,060 you cannot discount you of also aliens 583 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:04,970 as possible explanation for what's 584 00:28:11,110 --> 00:28:09,410 flying over us and a few years back the 585 00:28:14,170 --> 00:28:11,120 earlier part of this decade then Prime 586 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:14,180 Minister Dmitry Medvedev was kind of 587 00:28:20,590 --> 00:28:16,970 calling a hot mic after he was off the 588 00:28:23,100 --> 00:28:20,600 air interviewing with Russian television 589 00:28:26,620 --> 00:28:23,110 and he made a number of comments about 590 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:26,630 UFOs and aliens and men in black and I 591 00:28:32,530 --> 00:28:29,330 want to get your take on that I could 592 00:28:34,510 --> 00:28:32,540 say it was a joke it's you know typical 593 00:28:37,060 --> 00:28:34,520 Russian humor but I think it was a 594 00:28:38,790 --> 00:28:37,070 little bit more than that and you know 595 00:28:43,180 --> 00:28:38,800 we're staying tuned we'll find out more 596 00:28:47,410 --> 00:28:43,190 as the time goes by you know Russia it's 597 00:28:50,740 --> 00:28:47,420 more the government is not mired in a 598 00:28:52,950 --> 00:28:50,750 stupid ideology this collectivist 599 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:52,960 socialist idiotic ideology that 600 00:28:59,290 --> 00:28:55,970 restraint you know our lands and 601 00:29:03,580 --> 00:28:59,300 destroyed our economies Russia today is 602 00:29:08,290 --> 00:29:03,590 more flexible in many ways it's more 603 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:08,300 agile and if given a chance they will 604 00:29:12,820 --> 00:29:11,090 become more modern but you gotta 605 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:12,830 understand you only have a few big 606 00:29:18,940 --> 00:29:15,130 cities like Moscow Saint Petersburg 607 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:18,950 Russia has a wonderful Siberia I mean it 608 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:22,010 and Far East edge will be developed and 609 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:23,450 are being developed to the extent 610 00:29:29,860 --> 00:29:26,330 possible but it's not easy but they have 611 00:29:34,450 --> 00:29:29,870 a lot of scientific brains that they 612 00:29:37,060 --> 00:29:34,460 lost many all the you know Soviet SDI 613 00:29:39,010 --> 00:29:37,070 like program all most of the scientists 614 00:29:41,820 --> 00:29:39,020 moved to the United States when the 615 00:29:44,980 --> 00:29:41,830 Soviet Union fell apart but nowadays 616 00:29:47,710 --> 00:29:44,990 scientists stay and they are more I 617 00:29:50,950 --> 00:29:47,720 don't want to say patriotic but they do 618 00:29:53,140 --> 00:29:50,960 want to give their their ideas and their 619 00:29:54,670 --> 00:29:53,150 energy to Russia and I can see that and 620 00:29:59,590 --> 00:29:54,680 they have 621 00:30:03,820 --> 00:29:59,600 capable officers who I am sure observe 622 00:30:08,110 --> 00:30:03,830 UFOs day in and day out but secrecy is 623 00:30:10,630 --> 00:30:08,120 tremendous its it people don't talk 624 00:30:12,130 --> 00:30:10,640 about it they do what they need to do 625 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:12,140 and it's very hard to get information 626 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:14,810 out of Russia now you were talking about 627 00:30:18,970 --> 00:30:16,850 initially well well things loosened up 628 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:18,980 by a little bit with Gorbachev and then 629 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:20,690 the the Commonwealth of Independent 630 00:30:25,750 --> 00:30:24,170 States came in and Yeltsin was the the 631 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:25,760 first man insurance first president of 632 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:28,490 that if I recall correctly and correct 633 00:30:32,980 --> 00:30:31,370 me if I'm wrong of course and did things 634 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:32,990 kind of like loosen up for a little bit 635 00:30:38,350 --> 00:30:35,050 and then tighten up again as a Putin's 636 00:30:41,650 --> 00:30:38,360 maintained control over there for all 637 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:41,660 these years now or has it been up and 638 00:30:46,690 --> 00:30:45,050 down or is it that steady or under 639 00:30:48,010 --> 00:30:46,700 Yeltsin there was just thing mostly to 640 00:30:50,860 --> 00:30:48,020 survive but what's interesting about 641 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:50,870 Yeltsin is that he very much believed in 642 00:30:54,820 --> 00:30:52,850 I don't want to say they're caught 643 00:30:58,900 --> 00:30:54,830 because it was not that but he had a 644 00:31:00,700 --> 00:30:58,910 whole group of people so-called sigh psi 645 00:31:04,570 --> 00:31:00,710 defense around him 646 00:31:06,580 --> 00:31:04,580 and people who were involved in this 647 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:06,590 type of research and weapons and so 648 00:31:12,490 --> 00:31:09,530 forth and someone from the KGB some from 649 00:31:14,050 --> 00:31:12,500 other forces so he was very much killing 650 00:31:15,850 --> 00:31:14,060 it but they didn't have enough time to 651 00:31:18,310 --> 00:31:15,860 go into it that's why there are a lot of 652 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:18,320 documents left so the former Soviet 653 00:31:22,990 --> 00:31:21,650 Union and Russia and made their way to 654 00:31:26,140 --> 00:31:23,000 the United States and elsewhere 655 00:31:29,140 --> 00:31:26,150 interesting documents and remember the 656 00:31:32,020 --> 00:31:29,150 you know the KGB was destroyed and not 657 00:31:35,590 --> 00:31:32,030 very active for a year - yeah it's 658 00:31:40,620 --> 00:31:35,600 changed under Putin because Putin's he 659 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:40,630 he wants to build up Russian state and 660 00:31:46,090 --> 00:31:43,970 you know defense of his country is very 661 00:31:48,190 --> 00:31:46,100 important to him and of course they just 662 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:48,200 like in the Soviet times they want to 663 00:31:54,430 --> 00:31:50,690 know what are those you are forced 664 00:31:57,250 --> 00:31:54,440 because there are UFO sightings and you 665 00:31:59,560 --> 00:31:57,260 as all sightings - but it's a different 666 00:32:02,770 --> 00:31:59,570 level of secrecy it's it's it's a 667 00:32:04,510 --> 00:32:02,780 different type of government today look 668 00:32:07,660 --> 00:32:04,520 there are elections in Russia as well 669 00:32:08,450 --> 00:32:07,670 and some people are you know saying 670 00:32:11,390 --> 00:32:08,460 there is no 671 00:32:14,090 --> 00:32:11,400 them others people say yes I'm not gonna 672 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:14,100 go into death but I will tell you but 673 00:32:20,540 --> 00:32:17,250 Russians are able to read much more the 674 00:32:21,980 --> 00:32:20,550 Internet is still open and they can they 675 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:21,990 can see what's going on they travel 676 00:32:27,950 --> 00:32:25,890 abroad and for this for I am thankful to 677 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:27,960 Gorbachev for the destruction of the 678 00:32:33,650 --> 00:32:31,530 stupid Communist Party because you you 679 00:32:36,050 --> 00:32:33,660 can belong to other parties today yeah 680 00:32:40,370 --> 00:32:36,060 there are limitations you can study the 681 00:32:43,190 --> 00:32:40,380 religious there is more religion there 682 00:32:45,050 --> 00:32:43,200 is no what should I say punishment for 683 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:45,060 being religious religious and it was 684 00:32:50,150 --> 00:32:48,210 during my times so you know people can 685 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:50,160 read books that they want to problem in 686 00:32:55,460 --> 00:32:51,810 today's world is that young people don't 687 00:32:58,010 --> 00:32:55,470 want to read books but yeah your your 688 00:33:00,380 --> 00:32:58,020 point regarding a religion in Russia 689 00:33:02,270 --> 00:33:00,390 Russia has the third largest Christian 690 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:02,280 population in the world behind the US 691 00:33:07,910 --> 00:33:05,250 and Brazil yeah and Muslims they have a 692 00:33:10,010 --> 00:33:07,920 very tremendous Muslim population too 693 00:33:14,180 --> 00:33:10,020 and they have a you know it is there is 694 00:33:17,090 --> 00:33:14,190 no there are no more obstacles to people 695 00:33:19,670 --> 00:33:17,100 they have a Jewish Russians and other 696 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:19,680 Russians are able to do to join the 697 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:21,690 government and do what they want what 698 00:33:27,530 --> 00:33:25,050 I'm saying yeah I don't want to build to 699 00:33:29,300 --> 00:33:27,540 paint a rosy picture but it's just a 700 00:33:31,310 --> 00:33:29,310 different land and I I'm telling people 701 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:31,320 don't mix it up with the old Soviet 702 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:33,930 Union it's not that even territorial 703 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:36,210 expansion you know look at the Russian 704 00:33:41,450 --> 00:33:38,970 Empire as an example don't look at the 705 00:33:43,610 --> 00:33:41,460 Soviet Union because they don't bring a 706 00:33:46,670 --> 00:33:43,620 communist ideology and their bayonets 707 00:33:49,430 --> 00:33:46,680 like before they wanted to take over the 708 00:33:53,500 --> 00:33:49,440 world and I think in time there should 709 00:33:56,690 --> 00:33:53,510 be more cooperation in space definitely 710 00:34:00,020 --> 00:33:56,700 and whether I want to or not there is 711 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:00,030 cohesion yeah yeah that that's how we 712 00:34:04,130 --> 00:34:02,370 get into orbit now here in the States we 713 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:04,140 don't have there anything that can get 714 00:34:08,150 --> 00:34:06,450 our own American astronauts up to the 715 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:08,160 space station we have to hitch rides 716 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:10,050 with the Russians so that since the way 717 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:13,050 it goes let's go we have we have this 718 00:34:18,260 --> 00:34:15,330 robot in space and and this creature 719 00:34:20,930 --> 00:34:18,270 already complained today I was you know 720 00:34:22,190 --> 00:34:20,940 reading a Russian a story just out from 721 00:34:24,260 --> 00:34:22,200 from from Russia that there 722 00:34:26,990 --> 00:34:24,270 robot who made it to the station and did 723 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:27,000 not perish now he is complaining you 724 00:34:32,810 --> 00:34:28,530 know about the part of the station he 725 00:34:35,869 --> 00:34:32,820 was put in but what I'm saying 726 00:34:37,730 --> 00:34:35,879 I think but getting back to to what we 727 00:34:40,579 --> 00:34:37,740 can call paranormal let's say whether I 728 00:34:42,889 --> 00:34:40,589 I personally think that there is much 729 00:34:44,899 --> 00:34:42,899 higher cooperation at the levels we 730 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:44,909 can't even imagine and it doesn't matter 731 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:47,570 what presidents come comes in and out 732 00:34:52,819 --> 00:34:50,010 they know they talk to each other and 733 00:34:55,329 --> 00:34:52,829 you spoke about American presidents I 734 00:34:59,270 --> 00:34:55,339 always want to tell Americans remember 735 00:35:02,390 --> 00:34:59,280 Gerald Ford who was a congressman who 736 00:35:05,630 --> 00:35:02,400 was pushing the Air Force to give up UFO 737 00:35:07,579 --> 00:35:05,640 information he was very active and I 738 00:35:09,470 --> 00:35:07,589 don't want people to forget about his 739 00:35:12,349 --> 00:35:09,480 input into this whole disclosure 740 00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:12,359 movement oh yeah yeah he was he was a 741 00:35:15,410 --> 00:35:13,920 congressman before he became vice 742 00:35:17,420 --> 00:35:15,420 president and then president he was a 743 00:35:19,790 --> 00:35:17,430 congressman in Michigan where there were 744 00:35:21,470 --> 00:35:19,800 an awful lot of sightings and his people 745 00:35:23,870 --> 00:35:21,480 were you know his constituents were 746 00:35:25,819 --> 00:35:23,880 raising quite a fuss about it and he did 747 00:35:28,370 --> 00:35:25,829 get a congressional open correctional 748 00:35:31,579 --> 00:35:28,380 hearing going now regarding UFOs back in 749 00:35:33,470 --> 00:35:31,589 the late 60s so yeah I mean it's it's up 750 00:35:35,599 --> 00:35:33,480 and down here and we're we're in kind of 751 00:35:37,430 --> 00:35:35,609 a heavy period here it's been a great 752 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:37,440 period for UFO buffs 753 00:35:44,030 --> 00:35:40,530 here in the States for sure with TSA and 754 00:35:47,030 --> 00:35:44,040 all that and we've had Steve Bassett on 755 00:35:50,030 --> 00:35:47,040 with us a handful three times I believe 756 00:35:52,700 --> 00:35:50,040 three times and he's often talking about 757 00:35:54,980 --> 00:35:52,710 Putin being the one to disclose that 758 00:35:57,109 --> 00:35:54,990 he'll he'll you know his ego is enough 759 00:35:58,670 --> 00:35:57,119 and that you know he'll want the the 760 00:36:00,140 --> 00:35:58,680 pleasure of announcing that to the world 761 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:00,150 you're a little skeptical about that 762 00:36:03,500 --> 00:36:01,890 once you tell the folks at a little bit 763 00:36:06,650 --> 00:36:03,510 more detail about what you told me 764 00:36:08,809 --> 00:36:06,660 before we got on the air well Steve he's 765 00:36:12,620 --> 00:36:08,819 a nice guy but he's naive Western there 766 00:36:14,420 --> 00:36:12,630 you know you know he's you know young 767 00:36:17,030 --> 00:36:14,430 and impressionable you know person 768 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:17,040 listen what I'll tell you is this they 769 00:36:22,970 --> 00:36:19,050 cannot and this was disparate ends for 770 00:36:25,579 --> 00:36:22,980 example to us OS in 2009 you know they 771 00:36:28,940 --> 00:36:25,589 give an response to the rumors that I 772 00:36:31,370 --> 00:36:28,950 saw that Russians are the classifying us 773 00:36:34,220 --> 00:36:31,380 all unidentified submersible 774 00:36:36,050 --> 00:36:34,230 objects information and the spokesman 775 00:36:39,170 --> 00:36:36,060 for for the Navy said listen 776 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:39,180 we can do it because it will show the 777 00:36:44,420 --> 00:36:42,090 itineraries of our submarines our 778 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:44,430 adversaries will know where we see such 779 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:46,850 cases that's not gonna happen 780 00:36:52,850 --> 00:36:49,650 there is no reason for him to do it 781 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:52,860 secrecy is is its only no much plus it 782 00:36:57,770 --> 00:36:54,890 will show projects they're working on 783 00:37:00,020 --> 00:36:57,780 there is no there's no incentive to do 784 00:37:03,950 --> 00:37:00,030 it what what he doesn't need a Nobel 785 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:03,960 Prize if it's done in my opinion it will 786 00:37:10,900 --> 00:37:07,650 be done together with the Americans and 787 00:37:13,420 --> 00:37:10,910 the Chinese and maybe the United Kingdom 788 00:37:16,580 --> 00:37:13,430 depending on the information they have 789 00:37:18,020 --> 00:37:16,590 it's going to be a joint effort not 790 00:37:20,540 --> 00:37:18,030 something that's going to happen just 791 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:20,550 because a president wakes up one day 792 00:37:28,100 --> 00:37:23,490 feels good and says well you know what 793 00:37:30,260 --> 00:37:28,110 I'll let the world know God and we had 794 00:37:32,300 --> 00:37:30,270 that Gary Heseltine on a couple months 795 00:37:34,780 --> 00:37:32,310 back and he was talking about that 796 00:37:38,540 --> 00:37:34,790 visiting Russia himself as part of a 797 00:37:41,180 --> 00:37:38,550 proposed think tank put together by the 798 00:37:43,850 --> 00:37:41,190 Chinese but the event was hosted in 799 00:37:45,770 --> 00:37:43,860 Russia and you know a little bit about 800 00:37:47,210 --> 00:37:45,780 that Paul won't you tell us and fill the 801 00:37:49,100 --> 00:37:47,220 folks in if they didn't happen to hear 802 00:37:56,300 --> 00:37:49,110 the show with Gary tell us a little bit 803 00:37:59,930 --> 00:37:56,310 about that effort hold on a second 804 00:38:02,860 --> 00:37:59,940 sure so I don't want to lose my what I 805 00:38:08,450 --> 00:38:02,870 know I don't want to see something know 806 00:38:12,260 --> 00:38:08,460 about this okay what's going on is this 807 00:38:14,870 --> 00:38:12,270 I understand that the Chinese and the 808 00:38:17,270 --> 00:38:14,880 Russians organized I'm not sure how 809 00:38:19,220 --> 00:38:17,280 active that Russian group is I know the 810 00:38:21,350 --> 00:38:19,230 about you apology in Russia today and 811 00:38:24,170 --> 00:38:21,360 who is active who is not but it's a good 812 00:38:26,930 --> 00:38:24,180 effort who is paying for it I'm not 813 00:38:31,070 --> 00:38:26,940 exactly sure maybe it's the Chinese if 814 00:38:34,270 --> 00:38:31,080 they can create something like a UN of 815 00:38:37,820 --> 00:38:34,280 UFO research that would be good and 816 00:38:41,660 --> 00:38:37,830 maybe the next meeting will take place 817 00:38:45,020 --> 00:38:41,670 in China Beijing but I don't know all 818 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:45,030 the details however I my respect is for 819 00:38:49,310 --> 00:38:47,610 Chinese you apology based on Russian 820 00:38:49,839 --> 00:38:49,320 information because they keep an eye on 821 00:38:54,069 --> 00:38:49,849 it 822 00:38:56,739 --> 00:38:54,079 their neighbors and I also spoke in Hong 823 00:38:59,079 --> 00:38:56,749 Kong some years ago and I'm in touch 824 00:39:02,130 --> 00:38:59,089 with Hong Kong researchers so it's 825 00:39:06,549 --> 00:39:02,140 interesting to see that China has a very 826 00:39:08,439 --> 00:39:06,559 important very far-reaching UFO research 827 00:39:11,380 --> 00:39:08,449 program they don't talk about it too 828 00:39:13,569 --> 00:39:11,390 much because it's government supported 829 00:39:15,459 --> 00:39:13,579 on many levels I'm sure there are 830 00:39:19,059 --> 00:39:15,469 independent researchers to the extent 831 00:39:22,989 --> 00:39:19,069 possible in China but tens of thousands 832 00:39:25,569 --> 00:39:22,999 of people and scientists many of them 833 00:39:27,009 --> 00:39:25,579 studying up information collecting them 834 00:39:29,229 --> 00:39:27,019 and who knows what's entered there 835 00:39:33,699 --> 00:39:29,239 started their researching in in China 836 00:39:36,279 --> 00:39:33,709 but Chinese UFO phenomenon ancient 837 00:39:39,759 --> 00:39:36,289 aliens goes back goes back thousands of 838 00:39:44,199 --> 00:39:39,769 years I had a whole study of the 839 00:39:49,900 --> 00:39:44,209 so-called Yellow Emperor and I had a lot 840 00:39:53,170 --> 00:39:49,910 of good reports based on my publications 841 00:39:57,819 --> 00:39:53,180 and videos and it goes back more than 842 00:39:59,829 --> 00:39:57,829 5000 years ago but they very carefully 843 00:40:02,680 --> 00:39:59,839 collect all this information and for 844 00:40:04,630 --> 00:40:02,690 other cases and you know you hear 845 00:40:07,269 --> 00:40:04,640 stories about the pyramids in China but 846 00:40:09,189 --> 00:40:07,279 there is more you know the more the 847 00:40:12,099 --> 00:40:09,199 lakes that contains very unusual 848 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:12,109 structures and them and much more but 849 00:40:17,589 --> 00:40:14,930 China is not in a way it's less open 850 00:40:19,779 --> 00:40:17,599 than Russia because in Russia for 851 00:40:22,299 --> 00:40:19,789 example if I present a case about 852 00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:22,309 Yakutia and the ancient cauldron so to 853 00:40:27,579 --> 00:40:25,130 say strange objects embedded in the 854 00:40:31,479 --> 00:40:27,589 permafrost people can can go to the area 855 00:40:34,900 --> 00:40:31,489 and at least try to find out yeah you 856 00:40:37,449 --> 00:40:34,910 know can I get a guide to approximate 857 00:40:40,599 --> 00:40:37,459 area or if I tell people about the Lake 858 00:40:42,759 --> 00:40:40,609 Baikal and the swimmers I know Americans 859 00:40:44,259 --> 00:40:42,769 in the Japanese have gone I think it's a 860 00:40:46,089 --> 00:40:44,269 little bit different with China because 861 00:40:49,989 --> 00:40:46,099 some territories are definitely out of 862 00:40:52,199 --> 00:40:49,999 reach same in Russia but mostly Arctic 863 00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:52,209 territories and maybe some of the closed 864 00:40:59,559 --> 00:40:57,170 special special designation cities you 865 00:41:01,719 --> 00:40:59,569 would mentioned some of the the openness 866 00:41:04,100 --> 00:41:01,729 over in Russia and we have our course 867 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:04,110 here in the West no problem with 868 00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:06,930 access to RT which was I get basically a 869 00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:08,730 Russian television at one point but they 870 00:41:12,290 --> 00:41:10,650 kind of shortened it up I guess for 871 00:41:15,290 --> 00:41:12,300 marketing purposes or whatever the case 872 00:41:18,380 --> 00:41:15,300 may be but they certainly cover UFO 873 00:41:20,450 --> 00:41:18,390 stuff on RT now are the folks in Russia 874 00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:20,460 getting the same kind of coverage or is 875 00:41:26,230 --> 00:41:23,850 that the kind of just an organization 876 00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:26,240 that puts out material for the West and 877 00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:29,130 you're really not getting a the same 878 00:41:34,430 --> 00:41:32,370 kind of coverage back in Russia no RT is 879 00:41:37,250 --> 00:41:34,440 mainly for the West and that's not a 880 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:37,260 source I would go for for my research oh 881 00:41:43,270 --> 00:41:39,450 no local newspapers published 882 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:43,280 interesting cases people have you know 883 00:41:47,690 --> 00:41:46,290 smartphones today they can make pictures 884 00:41:49,550 --> 00:41:47,700 of your force and I get a lot I 885 00:41:51,710 --> 00:41:49,560 sometimes put it on my Twitter channel 886 00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:51,720 too for you know latest cases 887 00:41:56,150 --> 00:41:53,970 interesting cases and there were there 888 00:41:59,600 --> 00:41:56,160 was a very important organization still 889 00:42:01,550 --> 00:41:59,610 in existence in Russia Cosmo poisk the 890 00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:01,560 leader unfortunately died he was a young 891 00:42:06,950 --> 00:42:03,330 man but a scientist who led many 892 00:42:08,530 --> 00:42:06,960 expeditions who was very active I helped 893 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:08,540 him get on some American channels 894 00:42:15,470 --> 00:42:11,130 chernobrov but he passed away but the 895 00:42:18,170 --> 00:42:15,480 legacy is still there and people young 896 00:42:19,970 --> 00:42:18,180 people are different today to those who 897 00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:19,980 are interested they find ways to study 898 00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:22,650 UFOs and they can look at American 899 00:42:27,290 --> 00:42:24,210 unfortunately sometimes they look at 900 00:42:29,540 --> 00:42:27,300 tabloids but you know they understand 901 00:42:34,010 --> 00:42:29,550 they did they can find information and 902 00:42:36,890 --> 00:42:34,020 look for it so I know that overseas 903 00:42:39,710 --> 00:42:36,900 Russian news sources the other like to 904 00:42:43,610 --> 00:42:39,720 write up about American and British you 905 00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:43,620 apology but to bring news about Russian 906 00:42:48,830 --> 00:42:46,530 cases Ukrainian and Central Asian that's 907 00:42:50,930 --> 00:42:48,840 my job this is what I do in the West and 908 00:42:53,420 --> 00:42:50,940 there are people in Russia who do the 909 00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:53,430 same and I think it's this this is what 910 00:43:00,860 --> 00:42:57,690 I thought 28 years ago and I strongly 911 00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:00,870 believe with let's build bridges I know 912 00:43:06,020 --> 00:43:03,890 there'll be the bankers who will how 913 00:43:08,180 --> 00:43:06,030 when they hear when they see this 914 00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:08,190 information coming out from Russia as 915 00:43:12,650 --> 00:43:10,410 they did in this so at the time of the 916 00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:12,660 Soviet Union but I say screw them we 917 00:43:17,930 --> 00:43:14,850 will bring it out who let people see 918 00:43:20,230 --> 00:43:17,940 what's going on let people I understand 919 00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:20,240 Russian scientific developments and also 920 00:43:28,670 --> 00:43:24,450 Russian cases of UFOs anomalous areas 921 00:43:33,620 --> 00:43:28,680 u.s. OS and compare because if a Chinese 922 00:43:36,260 --> 00:43:33,630 guy or an American sailor C reads our 923 00:43:38,089 --> 00:43:36,270 book and sees what's going on you know 924 00:43:40,970 --> 00:43:38,099 they have a chance I'm very proud 925 00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:40,980 Phillip mantle is active now this book 926 00:43:47,540 --> 00:43:43,650 about you as Oz it's available in I know 927 00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:47,550 in Spanish Portuguese German Italian 928 00:43:52,819 --> 00:43:50,640 Russian I never expected it but I wanted 929 00:43:57,670 --> 00:43:52,829 it I want the book to be available in 930 00:44:00,950 --> 00:43:57,680 Arabic in or do in Chinese in Hebrew but 931 00:44:02,510 --> 00:44:00,960 you know right right now one book ad 932 00:44:04,579 --> 00:44:02,520 that you had dedicated while you 933 00:44:07,339 --> 00:44:04,589 dedicated an entire book to the case 934 00:44:09,410 --> 00:44:07,349 that you call the the rasa the Russian 935 00:44:11,180 --> 00:44:09,420 Roswell and why don't you give some 936 00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:11,190 folks the details on all that what 937 00:44:17,180 --> 00:44:13,410 happened there look cool this was very 938 00:44:19,250 --> 00:44:17,190 interesting case in 1986 one day after 939 00:44:22,069 --> 00:44:19,260 the challenge we'll explore a challenger 940 00:44:24,349 --> 00:44:22,079 exposure explosion not people don't talk 941 00:44:28,870 --> 00:44:24,359 about it but I will this happened one 942 00:44:31,490 --> 00:44:28,880 day after a strange object entered 943 00:44:34,010 --> 00:44:31,500 off-limits Russian town and the border 944 00:44:37,370 --> 00:44:34,020 with China it used to be Chinese before 945 00:44:39,890 --> 00:44:37,380 you know many years before anyway it's a 946 00:44:43,010 --> 00:44:39,900 settlement and it was a mining 947 00:44:47,690 --> 00:44:43,020 settlement Danny Gorski and this object 948 00:44:50,990 --> 00:44:47,700 entered it went up and down and it you 949 00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:51,000 know basically smashed into a hill six 950 00:44:55,550 --> 00:44:53,490 eleven but when up and down finally 951 00:44:58,550 --> 00:44:55,560 burned and what was left behind in the 952 00:45:02,059 --> 00:44:58,560 residue were very unusual metals that 953 00:45:04,790 --> 00:45:02,069 some people say could not be created on 954 00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:04,800 earth without modern technology and some 955 00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:07,290 people say I'm talking about qualified 956 00:45:12,460 --> 00:45:10,170 scientists and researchers yes Soviets 957 00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:12,470 have had such technology back in 1970s 958 00:45:21,140 --> 00:45:15,930 what's interesting is that the Soviets 959 00:45:23,569 --> 00:45:21,150 if it was a NATO satellite very advanced 960 00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:23,579 one Soviets did not say anything nobody 961 00:45:28,819 --> 00:45:26,130 talked about this case except people 962 00:45:30,650 --> 00:45:28,829 from overseas who were interested to but 963 00:45:32,650 --> 00:45:30,660 I you know I've got my hands on it back 964 00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:32,660 in 1991 965 00:45:38,110 --> 00:45:35,410 the documents came in including from the 966 00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:38,120 report from the original researchers in 967 00:45:40,870 --> 00:45:40,130 Lee who was very active scientist in the 968 00:45:42,850 --> 00:45:40,880 whole area 969 00:45:44,290 --> 00:45:42,860 collecting UFO stories and more than 970 00:45:47,010 --> 00:45:44,300 that he studied it 971 00:45:49,450 --> 00:45:47,020 he got samples they were sent to Soviet 972 00:45:51,460 --> 00:45:49,460 laboratories and universities and most 973 00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:51,470 of them said we can't create stuff like 974 00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:54,370 that metals disappearing and reappearing 975 00:46:01,300 --> 00:45:57,650 intertwined gold nanotechnology like 976 00:46:04,090 --> 00:46:01,310 wires and more than that and there is a 977 00:46:07,660 --> 00:46:04,100 museum today in in Russia we sent a mark 978 00:46:09,310 --> 00:46:07,670 book to dedicated to it in this town but 979 00:46:12,250 --> 00:46:09,320 I don't think this case should be 980 00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:12,260 forgotten because people need to 981 00:46:19,350 --> 00:46:15,530 remember one year later a whole slew a 982 00:46:23,730 --> 00:46:19,360 whole school of UFOs came to Russia in 983 00:46:27,220 --> 00:46:23,740 1987 same territories I think there were 984 00:46:29,770 --> 00:46:27,230 dozens of objects observed by militia 985 00:46:32,860 --> 00:46:29,780 met by by policemen sorry they called 986 00:46:35,650 --> 00:46:32,870 Melissa in English by policeman by sign 987 00:46:39,070 --> 00:46:35,660 by scientists by by workers and peasants 988 00:46:41,950 --> 00:46:39,080 and everybody else and one of the 989 00:46:46,030 --> 00:46:41,960 objects or two actually flew over this 990 00:46:49,750 --> 00:46:46,040 side a mountain six eleven and they flew 991 00:46:51,370 --> 00:46:49,760 over it and departed it's like they gave 992 00:46:54,370 --> 00:46:51,380 a farewell oh maybe the moment to see if 993 00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:54,380 there was something to collect it's say 994 00:47:00,430 --> 00:46:56,930 and you know this is connected also we 995 00:47:03,210 --> 00:47:00,440 have myself and Philip we have dozens of 996 00:47:06,340 --> 00:47:03,220 reports from the Russian Far East of 997 00:47:10,180 --> 00:47:06,350 UFOs not far away from there Vladivostok 998 00:47:15,070 --> 00:47:10,190 has tremendous amount of cases again the 999 00:47:16,750 --> 00:47:15,080 coral islands all the territory and now 1000 00:47:20,250 --> 00:47:16,760 you mentioned it that you've got some 1001 00:47:22,990 --> 00:47:20,260 videos over at your YouTube channel and 1002 00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:23,000 of course we all remember earlier this 1003 00:47:26,500 --> 00:47:25,610 decade already quite a few years ago now 1004 00:47:30,220 --> 00:47:26,510 six years ago 1005 00:47:32,650 --> 00:47:30,230 back in 2013 the Chelyabinsk meteor and 1006 00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:32,660 there was no shortage of video the folks 1007 00:47:37,570 --> 00:47:36,050 you know it's a in you know way out 1008 00:47:40,270 --> 00:47:37,580 there you know it's a pretty remote area 1009 00:47:42,850 --> 00:47:40,280 and all these people they've got these 1010 00:47:44,859 --> 00:47:42,860 video cameras and there's a you know no 1011 00:47:47,260 --> 00:47:44,869 shortage of videos of this meteor 1012 00:47:49,329 --> 00:47:47,270 creating quite a stir I remember it well 1013 00:47:50,980 --> 00:47:49,339 you know what I was up in the morning 1014 00:47:52,930 --> 00:47:50,990 and that was extraordinary 1015 00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:52,940 are you getting much in the way of 1016 00:47:58,960 --> 00:47:56,930 interesting video I'm with some very 1017 00:48:00,730 --> 00:47:58,970 interesting stuff I don't want to take 1018 00:48:04,630 --> 00:48:00,740 people's videos without their permission 1019 00:48:06,339 --> 00:48:04,640 that wouldn't be good but those who look 1020 00:48:10,930 --> 00:48:06,349 at my videos I think they'll see enough 1021 00:48:14,470 --> 00:48:10,940 visual information photographs and what 1022 00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:14,480 should they say materials and facts 1023 00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:17,210 about the stories and I like I said it's 1024 00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:21,170 in ancient aliens China Russia modern 1025 00:48:28,540 --> 00:48:25,970 cases military cases KGB UFO research 1026 00:48:31,240 --> 00:48:28,550 Soviet military research a lot about you 1027 00:48:32,620 --> 00:48:31,250 as oh also Russian study of the 1028 00:48:34,630 --> 00:48:32,630 so-called Bigfoot they call it 1029 00:48:37,329 --> 00:48:34,640 differently I'm very much interested 1030 00:48:38,890 --> 00:48:37,339 because even when I was in the Soviet 1031 00:48:41,319 --> 00:48:38,900 Union I've heard a few stories and I 1032 00:48:43,150 --> 00:48:41,329 started collecting and through the years 1033 00:48:46,470 --> 00:48:43,160 I've got a lot and I keep getting 1034 00:48:49,180 --> 00:48:46,480 interesting stories very unusual relict 1035 00:48:51,910 --> 00:48:49,190 hominoids as they call it order you can 1036 00:48:54,190 --> 00:48:51,920 call it snowman or Yeti or llamas but 1037 00:48:56,829 --> 00:48:54,200 all over but my interest is a special in 1038 00:48:59,290 --> 00:48:56,839 the russian north my father was in the 1039 00:49:01,450 --> 00:48:59,300 soviet armed forces and he told me he 1040 00:49:05,079 --> 00:49:01,460 well he served during the time after 1041 00:49:08,140 --> 00:49:05,089 Stalin died and you know sorry 1042 00:49:09,430 --> 00:49:08,150 and who shove coming to power he told me 1043 00:49:11,650 --> 00:49:09,440 a lot of stories and he served right 1044 00:49:14,559 --> 00:49:11,660 there in the Far East in the 1045 00:49:17,319 --> 00:49:14,569 concentration camps area he saw a lot 1046 00:49:19,809 --> 00:49:17,329 Liso cannibalism he saw strange things 1047 00:49:22,059 --> 00:49:19,819 in the in in taiga and that's my 1048 00:49:25,030 --> 00:49:22,069 interest started and I love the Russian 1049 00:49:27,430 --> 00:49:25,040 Far East it's it's it's tremendous 1050 00:49:32,109 --> 00:49:27,440 territory many stories many unusual 1051 00:49:34,059 --> 00:49:32,119 stories cryptozoology you know and you 1052 00:49:36,700 --> 00:49:34,069 know people who reported some of them 1053 00:49:38,740 --> 00:49:36,710 are very much trained observers military 1054 00:49:40,870 --> 00:49:38,750 and scientists which is important 1055 00:49:43,510 --> 00:49:40,880 because if the bankers start howling 1056 00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:43,520 this is what we present to them you know 1057 00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:45,170 people who see it are no less educated 1058 00:49:50,829 --> 00:49:48,530 than you are you know so all of it is in 1059 00:49:53,020 --> 00:49:50,839 definitely in my channel and I want to 1060 00:49:55,750 --> 00:49:53,030 expand it to some other subjects but 1061 00:49:58,220 --> 00:49:55,760 it's basically Eurasian paranormal 1062 00:50:02,060 --> 00:49:58,230 because few people here 1063 00:50:05,450 --> 00:50:02,070 Chabad mongolia china you know central 1064 00:50:06,140 --> 00:50:05,460 asia it's it's a wonderful place to 1065 00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:06,150 visit 1066 00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:09,810 like kazakhstan seriously was based on 1067 00:50:14,240 --> 00:50:12,570 others but you know american 1068 00:50:16,490 --> 00:50:14,250 intelligence was very much interested in 1069 00:50:19,970 --> 00:50:16,500 those territories too because there were 1070 00:50:21,830 --> 00:50:19,980 many important sightings from 1947 and 1071 00:50:25,370 --> 00:50:21,840 they were recorded and they knew about 1072 00:50:27,859 --> 00:50:25,380 it and 1966 we talked about the united 1073 00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:27,869 states there was an earthquake in 1074 00:50:32,870 --> 00:50:31,050 Tashkent Uzbekistan and there was you 1075 00:50:37,270 --> 00:50:32,880 know tremendous amount of UFOs were 1076 00:50:40,370 --> 00:50:37,280 observed same year all over the world 1077 00:50:43,070 --> 00:50:40,380 well one thing from my conversation with 1078 00:50:45,170 --> 00:50:43,080 you that I'm picking up and also from 1079 00:50:46,940 --> 00:50:45,180 what we're hearing from TTS a and then 1080 00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:46,950 going back and looking at the older 1081 00:50:52,370 --> 00:50:51,330 American base case cases that they have 1082 00:50:54,890 --> 00:50:52,380 so much in common 1083 00:50:57,800 --> 00:50:54,900 it's like virtually if you edit it out 1084 00:50:59,420 --> 00:50:57,810 the you know the information of who was 1085 00:51:02,390 --> 00:50:59,430 involved whether it was an American or 1086 00:51:06,140 --> 00:51:02,400 Russian or Soviet or Canadian or British 1087 00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:06,150 the you know the cases are so similar 1088 00:51:11,270 --> 00:51:09,450 it's like okay we see something we we 1089 00:51:12,770 --> 00:51:11,280 pick something up let's get some planes 1090 00:51:15,230 --> 00:51:12,780 up to take a closer look they take a 1091 00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:15,240 closer look and then BAM the UFOs are 1092 00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:17,850 out of there faster than you can snap 1093 00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:20,250 your fingers and this seems very common 1094 00:51:24,950 --> 00:51:22,290 now is there anything about the UFO 1095 00:51:27,620 --> 00:51:24,960 cases that that stand out as being not 1096 00:51:30,140 --> 00:51:27,630 terribly common is there anything that's 1097 00:51:33,950 --> 00:51:30,150 anything unusual that that you've never 1098 00:51:36,140 --> 00:51:33,960 heard from a more Western case I think 1099 00:51:38,720 --> 00:51:36,150 tremendously close if I mean the 1100 00:51:41,660 --> 00:51:38,730 co-efficient basically is the same the 1101 00:51:43,700 --> 00:51:41,670 movement how they move about and so 1102 00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:43,710 forth what I haven't heard is about you 1103 00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:46,050 as owes because I think it's a more 1104 00:51:50,830 --> 00:51:49,170 secretive subject in the United States 1105 00:51:53,420 --> 00:51:50,840 and NATO than it's in the Soviet Union 1106 00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:53,430 because United States and NATO are 1107 00:51:59,090 --> 00:51:55,410 intact but the Soviet Union 1108 00:52:01,670 --> 00:51:59,100 disintegrated and some information came 1109 00:52:04,190 --> 00:52:01,680 out and that's how we know and I think 1110 00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:04,200 they even exchanged impressions with 1111 00:52:08,420 --> 00:52:06,090 their American colleagues Soviet Navy 1112 00:52:11,900 --> 00:52:08,430 but you know let's talk about what I 1113 00:52:15,020 --> 00:52:11,910 know you know there were ah 1114 00:52:15,770 --> 00:52:15,030 moving at tremendous speeds to the 1115 00:52:18,470 --> 00:52:15,780 oceans 1116 00:52:21,460 --> 00:52:18,480 objects that change shapes down below 1117 00:52:24,410 --> 00:52:21,470 objects that bothered Soviet submarines 1118 00:52:26,930 --> 00:52:24,420 to a great extent and there were many of 1119 00:52:29,270 --> 00:52:26,940 them yeah I will never forget some I'll 1120 00:52:32,299 --> 00:52:29,280 tell you wanted you've not heard in the 1121 00:52:37,849 --> 00:52:32,309 United States yes Soviet Russian 1122 00:52:41,809 --> 00:52:37,859 researcher gusoff King observed we like 1123 00:52:45,170 --> 00:52:41,819 object down below in the Black Sea with 1124 00:52:47,870 --> 00:52:45,180 he was aborted deep water submersible 1125 00:52:50,390 --> 00:52:47,880 with scientists the observed an object 1126 00:52:55,309 --> 00:52:50,400 about like a 10-story building it was 1127 00:52:57,980 --> 00:52:55,319 like it was a circle like object and it 1128 00:53:00,740 --> 00:52:57,990 emitted light and made movements you 1129 00:53:03,500 --> 00:53:00,750 know people can find out more reading my 1130 00:53:06,260 --> 00:53:03,510 book but this was one of the cases which 1131 00:53:08,539 --> 00:53:06,270 was very unusual one of the U of Oz 1132 00:53:11,390 --> 00:53:08,549 there were some other ones that I go 1133 00:53:14,690 --> 00:53:11,400 through yeah there are variations and 1134 00:53:17,720 --> 00:53:14,700 what's interesting is that there are 1135 00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:17,730 more it seems to be like we have two 1136 00:53:24,890 --> 00:53:20,490 different groups or two different 1137 00:53:26,779 --> 00:53:24,900 entities on our earth that are not asked 1138 00:53:28,519 --> 00:53:26,789 but who do may not like each other but 1139 00:53:30,859 --> 00:53:28,529 they are very much advanced more than us 1140 00:53:33,319 --> 00:53:30,869 and there are battles I remember 1141 00:53:37,130 --> 00:53:33,329 bringing forth information from the 10th 1142 00:53:40,490 --> 00:53:37,140 century when an Arab traveller in what 1143 00:53:42,740 --> 00:53:40,500 is Russia today on an inspection this 1144 00:53:46,789 --> 00:53:42,750 was a diplomatic mission they observed 1145 00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:46,799 you of all fighting in the sky and the 1146 00:53:50,539 --> 00:53:48,450 local people told them don't be afraid 1147 00:53:52,910 --> 00:53:50,549 we see it every day and I have other 1148 00:53:55,309 --> 00:53:52,920 descriptions in my book from other 1149 00:53:59,900 --> 00:53:55,319 territories and times from the Russian 1150 00:54:02,809 --> 00:53:59,910 Empire and yeah well we've been in this 1151 00:54:05,089 --> 00:54:02,819 period of heightened attention for UFOs 1152 00:54:07,190 --> 00:54:05,099 here in the West and I don't know how 1153 00:54:09,230 --> 00:54:07,200 much it's trickle over into Russia but 1154 00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:09,240 where do you think things are going okay 1155 00:54:12,980 --> 00:54:11,130 at 10 years from now what do you think 1156 00:54:17,510 --> 00:54:12,990 the UFO subject gonna be over in Russia 1157 00:54:19,460 --> 00:54:17,520 oh we can't we cannot guess because we 1158 00:54:21,650 --> 00:54:19,470 don't I'll tell you what what is 1159 00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:21,660 interesting to me is all of a sudden all 1160 00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:23,050 this 1161 00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:26,170 you know attention to the Arctic it 1162 00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:27,970 could be because yeah there is much more 1163 00:54:31,140 --> 00:54:30,370 less ice and more water available I 1164 00:54:33,660 --> 00:54:31,150 don't think so 1165 00:54:36,990 --> 00:54:33,670 Arctic a few other territories on earth 1166 00:54:41,580 --> 00:54:37,000 I think it will be developing if there 1167 00:54:44,070 --> 00:54:41,590 is any sizable or our tangible threat 1168 00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:44,080 we'll find out much more because they 1169 00:54:49,890 --> 00:54:47,530 have to act our military our forces but 1170 00:54:52,860 --> 00:54:49,900 if the if they can can contain this 1171 00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:52,870 threat if it exists or if they have 1172 00:54:59,070 --> 00:54:56,530 separate communications with whatever 1173 00:55:01,740 --> 00:54:59,080 forces out there and they don't have to 1174 00:55:04,170 --> 00:55:01,750 report to us will not find out even with 1175 00:55:05,850 --> 00:55:04,180 all the internet and technology can see 1176 00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:05,860 how Internet can be controlled 1177 00:55:10,950 --> 00:55:08,170 you can see how information can be 1178 00:55:14,130 --> 00:55:10,960 controlled nowadays we may not find out 1179 00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:14,140 as much as we want to and any effort 1180 00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:17,410 will be real effort may be put down I 1181 00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:21,130 always tell people in the West what 1182 00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:23,770 about the case that happened in 1967 in 1183 00:55:30,540 --> 00:55:27,490 the Soviet Union Russian Soviet civilian 1184 00:55:34,770 --> 00:55:30,550 researchers very active guys were able 1185 00:55:37,290 --> 00:55:34,780 to get together with military this was 1186 00:55:39,750 --> 00:55:37,300 not authorized by anybody people from 1187 00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:39,760 the military who got tired of seeing 1188 00:55:44,700 --> 00:55:42,130 UFOs and one of the answers and they 1189 00:55:46,980 --> 00:55:44,710 were able to get some high-level support 1190 00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:46,990 not at the highest levels but enough and 1191 00:55:52,950 --> 00:55:49,570 they were guided access to the Soviet 1192 00:55:56,430 --> 00:55:52,960 television and those scientists real 1193 00:55:59,970 --> 00:55:56,440 scientists UFO researchers and military 1194 00:56:01,950 --> 00:55:59,980 people gave they gave an appeal though 1195 00:56:04,590 --> 00:56:01,960 they appealed to the Soviet population 1196 00:56:07,260 --> 00:56:04,600 and they said if you see strange and you 1197 00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:07,270 know phenomenon in the sky please send 1198 00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:09,490 us information to such-and-such p.o box 1199 00:56:15,710 --> 00:56:11,890 and you know how many hundreds of 1200 00:56:19,980 --> 00:56:15,720 thousands of letters came in many Wow 1201 00:56:23,610 --> 00:56:19,990 one month later it was destroyed it was 1202 00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:23,620 knocked out you know other forces those 1203 00:56:28,470 --> 00:56:26,890 other other people in the Soviet 1204 00:56:31,290 --> 00:56:28,480 military High Command 1205 00:56:33,770 --> 00:56:31,300 you know removed all this dig it was in 1206 00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:33,780 the so-called house of cosmonautics or 1207 00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:36,610 Hall of cosmonautics day 1208 00:56:42,030 --> 00:56:39,330 you know they eliminated this movement 1209 00:56:45,990 --> 00:56:42,040 nobody got killed for it but people got 1210 00:56:48,270 --> 00:56:46,000 demoted or shut down and no more this 1211 00:56:51,450 --> 00:56:48,280 ended it took a month I don't see 1212 00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:51,460 anything familiar anywhere in the West 1213 00:56:57,510 --> 00:56:54,610 when military and UFO researchers your 1214 00:57:00,750 --> 00:56:57,520 hand in hand go on television and appeal 1215 00:57:03,270 --> 00:57:00,760 to the population but you see what 1216 00:57:05,700 --> 00:57:03,280 happened at the end right right and you 1217 00:57:08,220 --> 00:57:05,710 had mentioned UFOs in the Arctic and of 1218 00:57:09,990 --> 00:57:08,230 course down in the Antarctic most of the 1219 00:57:12,750 --> 00:57:10,000 world's major countries including Russia 1220 00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:12,760 have a research presence down there have 1221 00:57:17,340 --> 00:57:14,770 you ever gotten any accounts from the 1222 00:57:19,710 --> 00:57:17,350 Antarctic oh yeah quite a lot we have a 1223 00:57:21,570 --> 00:57:19,720 whole chapter about Antarctic yeah yeah 1224 00:57:24,030 --> 00:57:21,580 and certain British territories have 1225 00:57:26,490 --> 00:57:24,040 more UFO sightings than anybody else 1226 00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:26,500 they're very modest our British cousins 1227 00:57:32,220 --> 00:57:28,930 so to say they don't talk about it but 1228 00:57:34,500 --> 00:57:32,230 Soviets you know the Soviet spy ships 1229 00:57:37,050 --> 00:57:34,510 were in the territory Soviet submarines 1230 00:57:38,820 --> 00:57:37,060 were in next to some of the British 1231 00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:38,830 islands out there what they talk about 1232 00:57:44,490 --> 00:57:41,290 it and the Antarctic itself it's a very 1233 00:57:47,070 --> 00:57:44,500 interesting and complicated history of 1234 00:57:49,850 --> 00:57:47,080 the Soviet Union they have been there 1235 00:57:52,710 --> 00:57:49,860 from 1946 and they had their own 1236 00:57:55,530 --> 00:57:52,720 connections with the Americans and we 1237 00:57:58,920 --> 00:57:55,540 don't know enough but what I know I did 1238 00:58:01,260 --> 00:57:58,930 present in my videos was and more in the 1239 00:58:03,780 --> 00:58:01,270 books about actual sightings and 1240 00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:03,790 photographs from the Antarctic because 1241 00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:05,290 they did you know photographs found 1242 00:58:10,710 --> 00:58:07,690 their way into this Topman Soviet 1243 00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:10,720 military research program yeah they know 1244 00:58:15,630 --> 00:58:12,610 quite a lot about the Antarctic but look 1245 00:58:18,060 --> 00:58:15,640 around the world everybody wants to be 1246 00:58:21,710 --> 00:58:18,070 once to the incident in the Antarctica 1247 00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:21,720 the Indians the Chinese the Japanese 1248 00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:26,650 it's like they know what's going on got 1249 00:58:30,630 --> 00:58:29,170 it and before we wrap up is there 1250 00:58:33,390 --> 00:58:30,640 anything else that that we didn't get to 1251 00:58:34,980 --> 00:58:33,400 you that you'd like to cover well I want 1252 00:58:38,010 --> 00:58:34,990 to say that you know some of the most 1253 00:58:40,020 --> 00:58:38,020 the most tremendous case was in Russian 1254 00:58:44,490 --> 00:58:40,030 history I would say one of the most was 1255 00:58:46,980 --> 00:58:44,500 the 1908 Tunguska I don't want to say 1256 00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:46,990 explosion because that's not what it was 1257 00:58:52,349 --> 00:58:50,410 but it left a lot of 1258 00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:52,359 impact on our planet but actually 1259 00:58:58,289 --> 00:58:55,170 whatever took out that object in the sky 1260 00:59:01,319 --> 00:58:58,299 might have saved our planet for the most 1261 00:59:04,460 --> 00:59:01,329 part in my research I presented 1262 00:59:08,670 --> 00:59:04,470 information that it was an intercept and 1263 00:59:09,839 --> 00:59:08,680 where the word let's say the Canon I 1264 00:59:12,359 --> 00:59:09,849 don't want to say it like that but 1265 00:59:14,609 --> 00:59:12,369 plainly whatever took it out where it's 1266 00:59:17,359 --> 00:59:14,619 stationed in Russia and it's connected 1267 00:59:21,150 --> 00:59:17,369 to my other research so there is a lot I 1268 00:59:23,700 --> 00:59:21,160 keep your eyes open on China and Russia 1269 00:59:25,829 --> 00:59:23,710 and Asia because a lot of things are 1270 00:59:27,630 --> 00:59:25,839 happening there and the more you find 1271 00:59:29,819 --> 00:59:27,640 out the more you can compare to American 1272 00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:29,829 cases and just to be clear here you're 1273 00:59:35,309 --> 00:59:32,530 suggesting that the Tunguska blast was a 1274 00:59:37,079 --> 00:59:35,319 a natural media or meteorite that would 1275 00:59:39,059 --> 00:59:37,089 have done a lot more damage than it did 1276 00:59:41,870 --> 00:59:39,069 but was intercepted is that about right 1277 00:59:44,430 --> 00:59:41,880 either it was a meteorite or an 1278 00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:44,440 adversarial object that was moving into 1279 00:59:51,779 --> 00:59:49,210 our planet maybe say you know maybe you 1280 00:59:54,029 --> 00:59:51,789 know manned by some Saint Ian force or 1281 00:59:56,430 --> 00:59:54,039 intelligence force we will never find 1282 01:00:00,299 --> 00:59:56,440 out but whatever it was it was 1283 01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:00,309 intercepted and in in shutdown far away 1284 01:00:05,849 --> 01:00:03,010 from us know not to cause more damage 1285 01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:05,859 than it did I do know a little bit about 1286 01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:07,690 that case and I do know that they felt 1287 01:00:12,809 --> 01:00:10,930 shocks as far west as London and that it 1288 01:00:14,849 --> 01:00:12,819 was actually powerful enough it had 1289 01:00:17,180 --> 01:00:14,859 knocked out horses I believe as far west 1290 01:00:20,220 --> 01:00:17,190 as Moscow is that about right 1291 01:00:22,859 --> 01:00:20,230 horses is what they did there were you 1292 01:00:24,769 --> 01:00:22,869 know white knights a lower Russia for a 1293 01:00:29,069 --> 01:00:24,779 long time very unusual electromagnetic 1294 01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:29,079 effects and trees were you know fell 1295 01:00:33,809 --> 01:00:31,690 down all over the taiga local people 1296 01:00:37,650 --> 01:00:33,819 cried but what's interesting there was a 1297 01:00:41,250 --> 01:00:37,660 study of people in Russia Russian Empire 1298 01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:41,260 USSR who were born in 1908 and a very 1299 01:00:46,380 --> 01:00:44,410 big very big number of them were what 1300 01:00:48,539 --> 01:00:46,390 you could consider to be geniuses I 1301 01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:48,549 don't know it's because of this and they 1302 01:00:56,339 --> 01:00:51,450 don't know but it was very interesting 1303 01:00:58,980 --> 01:00:56,349 also the day that it happened was the 1304 01:01:00,930 --> 01:00:58,990 day there's an astronomical temperature 1305 01:01:03,599 --> 01:01:00,940 I don't remember right now but it was 1306 01:01:04,190 --> 01:01:03,609 the day when Mars was closest to the 1307 01:01:08,300 --> 01:01:04,200 planet 1308 01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:08,310 earth got it fantastic Paul Stonehill 1309 01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:10,650 thank you so very much for joining us 1310 01:01:15,140 --> 01:01:13,290 tonight we got through everything very 1311 01:01:18,170 --> 01:01:15,150 efficiently yeah you are a great guest 1312 01:01:20,599 --> 01:01:18,180 enjoy your holiday weekend and of course 1313 01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:20,609 I wish everybody else that as well Paul 1314 01:01:25,250 --> 01:01:21,930 thanks so much for joining us tonight 1315 01:01:27,349 --> 01:01:25,260 thank you bye-bye bye-bye now and now 1316 01:01:29,450 --> 01:01:27,359 goodbye everybody enjoy your holiday 1317 01:01:30,859 --> 01:01:29,460 weekend and we'll be back after the 1318 01:01:32,630 --> 01:01:30,869 holiday weekend with more great shows